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- Requester Email: shuque@gmail.com
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- Time Requested: 15min
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- Chairs Action:
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* Draft name: Use of GOST 2012 Signature Algorithms
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- Datatracker URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-belyavskiy-rfc5933-bis/
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- Requester Email: beldmit@gmail.com
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- Time Requested: 15min
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- Chairs Action:
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- Shumon Huque, 15 min
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- Chairs Action:
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### Use of GOST 2012 Signature Algorithms in DNSKEY and RRSIG Resource Records for DNSSEC
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-belyavskiy-rfc5933-bis/
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- Dmitry Belyavsky, 15min
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- Chairs Action:
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#
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## Reference
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# DNS Operations (DNSOP) Working Group
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## interim-2020-dnsop-01
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* Date: 14 April 2020
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* Time: 1400-1600 UTC
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* Webex: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m706bba8b48e3db3db02d72f0941b2630
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###
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* Jabber: dnsop@jabber.ietf.org
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* EtherPad: https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/interim-2020-dnsop-01
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### Chairs
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* Tim Wicinski tjw.ietf@gmail.com
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* Suzanne Woolf suzworldwide@gmail.com
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* Benno Overeinder benno@nlnetlabs.nl
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### IESG Overlord
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* Warren Kumari warren@kumari.net
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### Document Status
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* https://github.com/DNSOP/wg-materials/blob/master/dnsop-document-status.md
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### Datatracker
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* https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/
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# Agenda
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## Administrivia
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* Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc, 10 min
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* Updates of Old Work, Chairs, 10 min
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## Current Working Group Business
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### Service binding and parameter specification via the DNS
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc/
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- Ben Schwartz, 15 min
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- Chairs Action: ?
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-svcb-httpssvc-slides/
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Stephen Farrell: Keep the ALPN port;
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Paul Vixie: I proposed removing port number. add a warning that operators should avoid using non-default ports for general Internet use.
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Non-default ports may be firewalled in client networks, so may appear to work in testing but may not work for some clients/users.
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Ben Schwartz: We can fix this with 1-2 sentences
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Chairs: Want to encourage Interop testing, and WGLC before 108
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### DNS Query Name Minimisation to Improve Privacy (bis)
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc7816bis/
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- Ralph Dolmans, 15min
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- Chairs Action: How close to WGLC?
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc7816bis/
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Ralf Weber: don't minimize forwarding;
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Jim Reid: query limiting - wording on labels
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Stehane Bortzmeyer: number of queries - SHOULD is reasonable (also, see section 7.1 of RFC 1035)
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Paul Vixie: 1) auth misconfig hard to detect, mixed-mode authority and delegation disappeared. with NS, answer in answer section.
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2) rate limiting have ddos implications.
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Joe Abley: choice of qtype - use SOA as an option.
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Ralph: small set of qtypes
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Joe: any benefit to a small set?
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Paul: Agree with Joe, SOA should be in the mix
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Mark Andrews: Forwarders and qname
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Warren Kumari: Why are we not using the original qtype
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Ralph: Pick the most common qtype the upstream would use
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Ralph: NS queries are sometimes blocked, but A are not.
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Erik Nygren: A vs AAAA query. A may stick out more.
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Chairs Action: New Version, then working toward WGLC
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#
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## New Working Group Business
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### Avoid IP fragmentation in DNS
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fujiwara-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation/
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- Kazunori Fujiwara, 15 min
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- Chairs Action: Adopt?
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-avoid-fragmentation-in-dns/
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Joe Abley: this is useful
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Ralf Weber: Useful
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### The Delegation_Only DNSKEY flag
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- https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pwouters-powerbind-03
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- Paul Wouters, 10 min
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- Chairs Action: Adopt?
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-draft-pwouters-powerbind/
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ben Schwartz: Why does it need to be machine readable?
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Peter van Dijk:
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Ralf Weber:
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Joe Abley: adding complexity must have problem to solve
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PW: Large outside subset to never trust DNSSEC.
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Wes Hardaker: DNSSEC transparency because don't trust DNSSEC
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Joe Abley: World is not as clean as it seems
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Warren Kumari:
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Matthijs Mekking:
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### Parameterized Nameserver Delegation with NS2 and NS2T
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tapril-ns2/
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- Tim April, 15 min
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- Chairs Action:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-slides-draft-tapril-ns2/
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Sam Weiler: Chil/Parent/both no restrictions. new record type that only appears on the parent is a can of worms.
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Matt Pounsett: if redesigning NS, remove the current ambiquity.
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Joe Abley: Can allow clients to never use old polocy
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Peter van Dijk: Agree with Sam/Joe, as a resolver implementor, this is scary.
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Alexander Dupuy: If done, present in parent, and in authority sections.
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Paul Hoffman: Similiar to work done in ADD queue
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Ralf Weber: Stub/resolver different than resolver/authorative
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Ben Schwartz: Work like this is blocking current dprive work
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### DNS Catalog Zones & A Data Model for Configuring DNS Zone Provisioning
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-toorop-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones/
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- https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-toorop-dnsop-dns-zone-provisioning-yang/
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- Willem Toorop, 15 min
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- Chairs Action:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-interim-2020-dnsop-01-sessa-cross-implementation-configuration-and-provisioning-management/
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Vixie: Will drop metazone in favor of this
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#
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## Reference
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### BlueSheets
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Attendees are asked to visit and enter your Name+Affiliation in the Blue-Sheet section of the DNSOP Etherpad.
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### Mic Line Queue
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The Mic Line will use the WebEx chat channel. To get in the queue type q+ to leave type q-.
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Please don't type questions or other things into the WebEx chat channel as that will make
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managing the queue very hard for the chairs. Please use the Jabber channel for side conversations.
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When you connect into WebEx you should start off as auto-muted so you'll
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need to unmute yourself to speak when called.
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### Helpful Info & Prep
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The IETF has prepared a couple of documents to help get everyone ready.
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https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/107/session-participant-guide/
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https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/107/session-presenter-guide/
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Attendee List
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Warren Kumari, Google
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Stephen Farell, Trinity College Dublin
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Hugo Salgado, .CL
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Ralph Dolmans, NLnet Labs
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Donald Eastlake, Futurewei
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Paul Ebersman, Neustar
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Joe Abley, PIR
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Joao Damas, APNIC
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Willem Toorop, NLnet Labs
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John Border, Hughes
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Kazunori Fujiawra, JPRS
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Mike Bishop, Akamai
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Ted Hardie, Google
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Murray Kucherawy, Facebook
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Tim Wicinski, unaffialted
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Stéphane Bortzmeyer, AFNIC
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Sean Turner, sn3rd
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Shumon Huque, Salesforce
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Peter van Dijk, Open-Xchange PowerDNS
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Keith Mitchell, DNS-OARC
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Ben Schwartz, Google
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Yoshiro YONEYA, JPRS
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Sam Weiler, W3C/MIT
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John Dickinson Sinodun IT
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Vittorio Bertola, Open-Xchange
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David Kinzel, Shaw Communications
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Ralf Weber, Akamai Technologies
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Scott Hollenbeck, Verisign
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Michael Gibbs, Verisign
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Ash Wilson, Valimail
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Eric Orth, Google
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Michael Hausding, SWITCH
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Jerry Lundström, DNS-OARC
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Witold Kręcicki, ISC
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Puneet Sood, Google
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Paul Vixie, Farsight
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Jim Popovitch, DomainMail, LLC (just curious)
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Shinta Sato, JPRS
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Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC
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Joey Salazar, ARTICLE19
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Dick Franks, unaffiliated
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Zaid AlBanna, Verisign
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Tim April, Akamai Technologies
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Mallory Knodel, CDT
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Matthijs Mekking, ISC
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Roland van Rijswijk-Deij, NLnet Labs
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Fredereico Neves, Nic.br
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Cathy Aronson, ARIN
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Mark Andrews, ISC
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Pieter Lexis, Open-Xchange PowerDNS
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Jeff Osborn, ISC
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Duane Wessels, Verisign
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Shane Kerr, NS1
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Erik Nygren, Akamai
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Matthew Pounsett, DNS-OARC
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Bernie Innocenti, Google
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Petr Špaček, CZ.NIC
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James Gould, Verisign
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Vladimir Cunat, cz.nic
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Denesh Bhabuta, DNS-OARC
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daniel migault
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Jim Reid, RTFM llp
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Alexander Dupuy, Google
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David Blacka, Verisign
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Robert Story, USC/ISI
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Chi-Jiun Su, Hughes Network Systems
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Mauricio Vergara Ereche, ICANN
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Claire Pershan, unaffiliated
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Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works
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Wes Hardaker, ISI
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Kaustubha Govind, Google Chrome
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Marc Groeneweg, SIDN
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Hugo Kobayashi, NIC.br
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Paul Wouters, Red Hat
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Paul Hoffman, ICANN
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Benno Overeinder, NLNet Labs
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Suzanne Woolf, PIR
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Dan McArdle, Google/Chrome
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