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dnsop-document-status.md

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 # DNSOP Chairs Status
-### Updated: 01 March 2023
+### Updated: 28 March 2023
 
 Official document list: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/
 
-This Document: https://github.com/DNSOP/wg-materials/blob/master/dnsop-document-status.md
+This Document: https://github.com/DNSOP/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md
 
 Questions, Concerns, etc:  dnsop-chairs at ietf.org
 
 ## Done since Last Meeting
 
+~~draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp~~ **RFC9364**
+
 ### RFC Ed Queue
 
 * ["Service binding and parameter specification via the DNS (DNS SVCB and HTTPS RRs)" - draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https/)
-
+    - IETF LC until 2023-04-03
-* ["DNS Security Extensions (DNSSEC)"](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp/)
 
 * ["DNS Catalog Zone" - draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones"](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones/)
 
@@ -23,21 +24,26 @@ Questions, Concerns, etc:  dnsop-chairs at ietf.org
     - AD Followup
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation
+    - No followup from implementors on appendix
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld
+    - IETF LC until 2023-04-10
 
 ## WGLC Approved
 
-## In WG Last Call
+* draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis
+    - Writeup after IETF
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional
+    - Writeup in next week.
 
-* draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis
+## In WG Last Call
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements
-    - updated doc
+    - Another person doing editorial review
+    - Will take some time to clean up text
 
 ## Upcoming WG Last Calls
 
@@ -46,20 +52,22 @@ Questions, Concerns, etc:  dnsop-chairs at ietf.org
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-error-reporting
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-caching-resolution-failures
+    - Authors feel ready
 
 ## Adopted by WG, Under Discussion (ranked)
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation
-    - document has three TODO to address
+    - Updated Document, resolved all outstanding TODOs
-    - **Action**: Shumon working on adding an author to help
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-automation
+    - Still needs another agenda
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-dane
 
 * draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error-page
+    - Work In Progress
 
 ## Recently Expired Documents
 
@@ -75,7 +83,6 @@ Questions, Concerns, etc:  dnsop-chairs at ietf.org
 
 * draft-klh-dnsop-rfc8109bis
 
-
 ## New Documents
 
 * draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies

dnsop-ietf116/dnsop-ietf116-agenda.md

@@ -1,31 +1,32 @@
 
 # DNS Operations (DNSOP) Working Group
+
 ## IETF 116
 
 * Date: Thursday, 30 March 2023
-* Time: 09:30-11:30 JST (UTC+9 Tokyo)
+* Time: 09:30-11:30 JST (00:30-02:30 UTC)
-* Room G403
+* Room: G403
 
 * [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf116/?group=dnsop&short=&item=1)
 * [Minutes](https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-116-dnsop)
-
 * [Zulip](https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/dnsop)
+* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/session/dnsop)
 
 ### Chairs
+
 * Benno Overeinder [benno@nlnetlabs.nl](benno@nlnetlabs.nl)
 * Suzanne Woolf [suzworldwide@gmail.com](suzworldwide@gmail.com)
 * Tim Wicinski [tjw.ietf@gmail.com](tjw.ietf@gmail.com)
 
 ### IESG Overlord
+
 * Warren Kumari [warren@kumari.net](warren@kumari.net)
 
 ### Document Status
+
 * [Github](https://github.com/ietf-wg-dnsop/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md)
 * [Datatracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/)
 
-* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/session/dnsop)
-
-#
 ## Agenda
 
 ### Administrivia

dnsop-ietf116/dnsop-ietf116-minutes.txt

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+DNSOP WG
+IETF 116, Yokohama
+Thursday moringing, March 30, 2023
+Chairs: Benno Overeinder, Suzanne Woolf, Tim Wicinski (remote)
+Minutes taken by Paul Hoffman
+Only stuff said that happened at the mic is reported here
+
+Administrivia and updates of old work
+
+GNU Name System (Very Short Update), Christian Grothoff
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schanzen-gns/
+	Warren Kumari: Need to reply to authors
+		Did the IETF conflict review
+			Close to DNSOP, but doesn't prevent publication
+			Has a limited number of possible responses in the conflict review
+	Wes Hardaker: Thank you for using .alt
+		Lots of cool technology in the protocol
+		Christian: Knew that they had publish a RFC
+		Conflict with the RRtypes, prevents working with the DNS in the future
+	George Michaelson: Mostly philosophical comments
+		Implement a registry function for .alt
+		First occupant has some expectation of structure
+		Who has control of the registry?
+			Christian: Will do first come, first served in their own .alt
+		Has an issue with "reservers"
+		Should not be spinning an alternate registry
+			Christian: Didn't get an IANA, so they did their own
+	Eliot Lear: Thanks to the WG, authors and ADs
+		Has not made a publication decision yet
+		Invites people to still commment to the ISE
+
+Structured Error Data for Filtered DNS - Document Update, Tirumal Reddy
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error/
+	Ben Schwartz: Would like to see the registries tightly controlled: IETF review
+		Wants to prevent the designated expert from being pressured for odd states
+	Tommy Pauly: Agrees with Ben on reviews
+		Wants the text to not be browser-specific
+		Contact info marked as mandatory
+			There may be future cases which don't need contact info
+			Browser or OS may know better than the DNS about what to do because it has more context
+			Tiru: Agrees, didn't put specific URIs in
+			Should be a list of URIs, but may be too narrow
+	
+Structured Error Data for Filtered DNS - Implementation, Gianpaolo Scalone (remote) and Ralf Weber (local)
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error/
+	Designed an extension for Chrome
+	Wes: Super happy to see the deployment
+		Ralf: No address redirection
+			Use NXDOMAIN with EDE
+		What is the UI when the main page is fine but are requesting sub-resource like JS or CSS
+	Tiru: Don't want a user to go to another page, so put it all on the main page
+	Gianpaolo: Sees some text to explain this
+	Tiru: Can address comments gotten here
+
+Domain Verification Techniques using DNS, Shivan Kaul Sahib
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques
+	Yasuhiro Morishita: Wants information for external DNS providers
+		Users cannot usually add underscore names
+	John Levine: Draft has considerbly improved
+		Wants more definition of what is machine-readable and what is human-readable
+		Give plausible argument about why CNAME is not a good idea
+	Wes: Encourage text that says if not using DNSSEC, must do other mechanisms
+
+Compact Denial of Existence in DNSSEC, Shumon Huque
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies/
+	Lars-Johan Liman: Does the draft do things differently if the DO bit is set?
+		Shumon: Not currently, but is considering
+		But this has impact on resolver, please describe in document
+	Viktor Dukhovni: A lot of complexity depending on resolver setting DO bit
+		Someone might deliberately send known NXDOMAIN through resolvers
+			Shumon: Will document this
+		May take a while for current implementations to go away
+			Shumon: Optimistic that the current implementers can change quickly
+	Jim Reid: Skeptical of this
+		Rather ugly from protocol point of view
+		A lot of work for just to make responses shorter
+		Would want it to be informational
+			Shumon: Wants to implement what is already done
+	Christian Elmerot: Thinks that this simplifies things quite a bit
+		Already using in production, but are doing it differently
+		Wants to have one way to suggested
+		Jim: Happy to have this help coordination, not standard
+	Ralf: Thanks for doing this, need to document it
+		Should minimize impact on the rest of the ecosystem
+
+Consistency for CDS/CDNSKEY and CSYNC is Mandatory, Peter Thomassen (remote)
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomassen-dnsop-cds-consistency/
+	Viktor: Corner case: if someone is moving to a hoster that doesn't do DNSSEC
+		Peter: Could add a way to turn off DNSSEC on transfer
+	Johan Stenstram: Breaks the logic that "if it is signed, it is good"
+		Doesn't like "if this is really important"
+		Let's not go there
+		Authoritative servers are proxies for the registrant
+		Out of sync is reflection on the registrant: business issues
+	Wes: CSYNC was for keeping DNS up and running
+		CSYNC can't fix the business problems
+	Peter: Agrees that one signature should be OK
+		Other parts of the spec also suggest asking multiple places
+
+Generalized DNS Notifications, Johan Stenstam
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify/
+	Viktor: Once it is a service, is the transport UDP?
+
+DNS Out Of Protocol Signalling, Willem Toorop
+	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grubto-dnsop-dns-out-of-protocol-signalling/
+	Lars-Johan: Please do this
+
+	

dnsop-templates/dnsop-agenda-template.md

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 # DNS Operations (DNSOP) Working Group
+
 ## IETF %%MTG%%
 
 * Date:
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 * [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf%%MTG%%/?group=dnsop&short=&item=1)
 * [Minutes](https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-%%MTG%%-dnsop)
 * [Zulip](https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/dnsop)
-
+* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/%%MTG%%/session/dnsop)
 
 ### Chairs
+
 * Benno Overeinder [benno@nlnetlabs.nl](benno@nlnetlabs.nl)
 * Suzanne Woolf [suzworldwide@gmail.com](suzworldwide@gmail.com)
 * Tim Wicinski [tjw.ietf@gmail.com](tjw.ietf@gmail.com)
 
 ### IESG Overlord
+
 * Warren Kumari [warren@kumari.net](warren@kumari.net)
 
 ### Document Status
+
 * [Github](https://github.com/ietf-wg-dnsop/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md)
 * [Datatracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/)
 
-* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/%%MTG%%/session/dnsop)
-
-#
 ## Agenda
 
 ### Administrivia

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