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# DNSOP Chairs Status
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### Updated: 01 March 2023
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### Updated: 28 March 2023
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Official document list: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/
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This Document: https://github.com/DNSOP/wg-materials/blob/master/dnsop-document-status.md
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This Document: https://github.com/DNSOP/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md
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Questions, Concerns, etc: dnsop-chairs at ietf.org
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## Done since Last Meeting
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~~draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp~~ **RFC9364**
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### RFC Ed Queue
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* ["Service binding and parameter specification via the DNS (DNS SVCB and HTTPS RRs)" - draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https/)
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* ["DNS Security Extensions (DNSSEC)"](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp/)
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- IETF LC until 2023-04-03
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* ["DNS Catalog Zone" - draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones"](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones/)
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- AD Followup
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation
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- No followup from implementors on appendix
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld
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- IETF LC until 2023-04-10
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## WGLC Approved
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## In WG Last Call
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis
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- Writeup after IETF
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional
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- Writeup in next week.
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis
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## In WG Last Call
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements
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- updated doc
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- Another person doing editorial review
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- Will take some time to clean up text
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## Upcoming WG Last Calls
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-error-reporting
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-caching-resolution-failures
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- Authors feel ready
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## Adopted by WG, Under Discussion (ranked)
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation
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- document has three TODO to address
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- **Action**: Shumon working on adding an author to help
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- Updated Document, resolved all outstanding TODOs
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-automation
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- Still needs another agenda
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-dane
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* draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error-page
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- Work In Progress
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## Recently Expired Documents
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* draft-klh-dnsop-rfc8109bis
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## New Documents
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* draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies
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# DNS Operations (DNSOP) Working Group
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## IETF 116
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* Date: Thursday, 30 March 2023
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* Time: 09:30-11:30 JST (UTC+9 Tokyo)
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* Room G403
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* Time: 09:30-11:30 JST (00:30-02:30 UTC)
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* Room: G403
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* [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf116/?group=dnsop&short=&item=1)
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* [Minutes](https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-116-dnsop)
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* [Zulip](https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/dnsop)
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* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/session/dnsop)
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### Chairs
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* Benno Overeinder [benno@nlnetlabs.nl](benno@nlnetlabs.nl)
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* Suzanne Woolf [suzworldwide@gmail.com](suzworldwide@gmail.com)
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* Tim Wicinski [tjw.ietf@gmail.com](tjw.ietf@gmail.com)
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### IESG Overlord
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* Warren Kumari [warren@kumari.net](warren@kumari.net)
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### Document Status
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* [Github](https://github.com/ietf-wg-dnsop/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md)
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* [Datatracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/)
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* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/116/session/dnsop)
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#
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## Agenda
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### Administrivia
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108
dnsop-ietf116/dnsop-ietf116-minutes.txt
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DNSOP WG
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IETF 116, Yokohama
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Thursday moringing, March 30, 2023
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Chairs: Benno Overeinder, Suzanne Woolf, Tim Wicinski (remote)
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Minutes taken by Paul Hoffman
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Only stuff said that happened at the mic is reported here
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Administrivia and updates of old work
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GNU Name System (Very Short Update), Christian Grothoff
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schanzen-gns/
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Warren Kumari: Need to reply to authors
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Did the IETF conflict review
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Close to DNSOP, but doesn't prevent publication
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Has a limited number of possible responses in the conflict review
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Wes Hardaker: Thank you for using .alt
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Lots of cool technology in the protocol
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Christian: Knew that they had publish a RFC
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Conflict with the RRtypes, prevents working with the DNS in the future
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George Michaelson: Mostly philosophical comments
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Implement a registry function for .alt
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First occupant has some expectation of structure
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Who has control of the registry?
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Christian: Will do first come, first served in their own .alt
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Has an issue with "reservers"
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Should not be spinning an alternate registry
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Christian: Didn't get an IANA, so they did their own
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Eliot Lear: Thanks to the WG, authors and ADs
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Has not made a publication decision yet
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Invites people to still commment to the ISE
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Structured Error Data for Filtered DNS - Document Update, Tirumal Reddy
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error/
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Ben Schwartz: Would like to see the registries tightly controlled: IETF review
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Wants to prevent the designated expert from being pressured for odd states
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Tommy Pauly: Agrees with Ben on reviews
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Wants the text to not be browser-specific
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Contact info marked as mandatory
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There may be future cases which don't need contact info
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Browser or OS may know better than the DNS about what to do because it has more context
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Tiru: Agrees, didn't put specific URIs in
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Should be a list of URIs, but may be too narrow
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Structured Error Data for Filtered DNS - Implementation, Gianpaolo Scalone (remote) and Ralf Weber (local)
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-structured-dns-error/
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Designed an extension for Chrome
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Wes: Super happy to see the deployment
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Ralf: No address redirection
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Use NXDOMAIN with EDE
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What is the UI when the main page is fine but are requesting sub-resource like JS or CSS
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Tiru: Don't want a user to go to another page, so put it all on the main page
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Gianpaolo: Sees some text to explain this
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Tiru: Can address comments gotten here
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Domain Verification Techniques using DNS, Shivan Kaul Sahib
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques
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Yasuhiro Morishita: Wants information for external DNS providers
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Users cannot usually add underscore names
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John Levine: Draft has considerbly improved
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Wants more definition of what is machine-readable and what is human-readable
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Give plausible argument about why CNAME is not a good idea
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Wes: Encourage text that says if not using DNSSEC, must do other mechanisms
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Compact Denial of Existence in DNSSEC, Shumon Huque
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies/
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Lars-Johan Liman: Does the draft do things differently if the DO bit is set?
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Shumon: Not currently, but is considering
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But this has impact on resolver, please describe in document
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Viktor Dukhovni: A lot of complexity depending on resolver setting DO bit
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Someone might deliberately send known NXDOMAIN through resolvers
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Shumon: Will document this
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May take a while for current implementations to go away
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Shumon: Optimistic that the current implementers can change quickly
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Jim Reid: Skeptical of this
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Rather ugly from protocol point of view
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A lot of work for just to make responses shorter
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Would want it to be informational
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Shumon: Wants to implement what is already done
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Christian Elmerot: Thinks that this simplifies things quite a bit
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Already using in production, but are doing it differently
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Wants to have one way to suggested
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Jim: Happy to have this help coordination, not standard
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Ralf: Thanks for doing this, need to document it
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Should minimize impact on the rest of the ecosystem
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Consistency for CDS/CDNSKEY and CSYNC is Mandatory, Peter Thomassen (remote)
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomassen-dnsop-cds-consistency/
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Viktor: Corner case: if someone is moving to a hoster that doesn't do DNSSEC
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Peter: Could add a way to turn off DNSSEC on transfer
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Johan Stenstram: Breaks the logic that "if it is signed, it is good"
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Doesn't like "if this is really important"
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Let's not go there
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Authoritative servers are proxies for the registrant
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Out of sync is reflection on the registrant: business issues
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Wes: CSYNC was for keeping DNS up and running
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CSYNC can't fix the business problems
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Peter: Agrees that one signature should be OK
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Other parts of the spec also suggest asking multiple places
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Generalized DNS Notifications, Johan Stenstam
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomassen-dnsop-generalized-dns-notify/
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Viktor: Once it is a service, is the transport UDP?
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DNS Out Of Protocol Signalling, Willem Toorop
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grubto-dnsop-dns-out-of-protocol-signalling/
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Lars-Johan: Please do this
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# DNS Operations (DNSOP) Working Group
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## IETF %%MTG%%
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* Date:
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* [MeetEcho](https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/ietf%%MTG%%/?group=dnsop&short=&item=1)
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* [Minutes](https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-%%MTG%%-dnsop)
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* [Zulip](https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/dnsop)
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* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/%%MTG%%/session/dnsop)
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### Chairs
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* Benno Overeinder [benno@nlnetlabs.nl](benno@nlnetlabs.nl)
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* Suzanne Woolf [suzworldwide@gmail.com](suzworldwide@gmail.com)
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* Tim Wicinski [tjw.ietf@gmail.com](tjw.ietf@gmail.com)
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### IESG Overlord
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* Warren Kumari [warren@kumari.net](warren@kumari.net)
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### Document Status
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* [Github](https://github.com/ietf-wg-dnsop/wg-materials/blob/main/dnsop-document-status.md)
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* [Datatracker](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dnsop/documents/)
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* [Upload Slides](https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/%%MTG%%/session/dnsop)
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#
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## Agenda
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### Administrivia
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for i in docs:
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lines.append(f"* {i.get('title')}")
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lines.append(f" - {i.get('url')}")
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lines.append(f" - {i.get('email')}, {i.get('time')} min")
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lines.append(f" - {i.get('email')}, {i.get('time')}")
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lines.append(" - Chairs Action:")
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lines.append("")
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alltimes.append(f"{i.get('title')}\t{i.get('email')}\t{i.get('time')}\n")
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